tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post4471191105580259644..comments2023-06-29T10:25:58.391-05:00Comments on Musings on Christ: The Grace of Unity: A Prayer for the Southern Baptist ConventionMalcolm Yarnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-63063866793001903992012-06-06T10:56:17.281-05:002012-06-06T10:56:17.281-05:00"Sion" and "Zion" are indeed t..."Sion" and "Zion" are indeed two different words in the Hebrew language. This issue reminds me of Jesus' statement about a "jot" and a "tittle." Not even a letter is uttered in divine writ without perfect divine intent.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-81542564359131663752012-06-06T10:52:07.592-05:002012-06-06T10:52:07.592-05:00Thanks. Several commentators whom I would recogniz...Thanks. Several commentators whom I would recognize (or at assume) as knowing the Hebrew language commented on Ps. 133:3 in such a way that "Sion" of Hermon is the same as "Zion" in Psalm 133. Seems they should have at least made the case for the two different words meaning the same thing rather than leaving us to wonder.R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-88747334192555427772012-06-06T10:36:52.834-05:002012-06-06T10:36:52.834-05:00Technical note: One of the difficulties of working...Technical note: One of the difficulties of working from an iPad is that it sometimes moves the page around and you accidentally delete something you meant to publish. Thanks to Richmond for his understanding in my accidental deletion.<br /><br />Theological note: I agree with Richmond's analysis. I just don't know what other term to use. I have proposed "Biblicist," "Baptist," and "non-Calvinist," but then some Calvinists argue that by using such terms, we are saying that they are not seeking to be Biblical or Baptist, and some "Traditionalists" don't want to be defined in a negative way as "non-Calvinist." Of course, the labels of "Arminian" and, even worse, "semi-Pelagian" are themselves incredibly problematic and should not be used with regard to us.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-70622159560111628592012-06-06T10:33:06.138-05:002012-06-06T10:33:06.138-05:00Richmond Goolsby wrote: This is an interesting dis...Richmond Goolsby wrote: This is an interesting discussion and I appreciate your contributions. A plea for grace is indeed a must. I can only rightly call myself a Baptist Christian for I am only moderately Calvinistic and certainly not Arminian. The term "Traditionalist" employs great rhetorical maneuvering but will prove to be exclusive and divisive by its very nature of usage in this context. Who can rightly claim to be the accurate tradition when the SBC has had such diverse traditions? I know that the Founders employed the same rhetorical device (in which I never participated) which has also been exclusive and divisive. I feel like the old guy sitting in the corner reading the 2000BFM saying, "why can't we just all get along?" Thanks for your efforts.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-24206431254267108882012-06-04T16:28:03.826-05:002012-06-04T16:28:03.826-05:00Thanks to Baptist Press for republishing this essa...Thanks to Baptist Press for republishing this essay in their more widely read venue.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-64666493679092264922012-06-02T19:25:10.579-05:002012-06-02T19:25:10.579-05:00Thank you for your kind words, Brother Mauldin. I ...Thank you for your kind words, Brother Mauldin. I have heard the term before (Humphreys?), but this is the first time I have seen it used so prominently. Perhaps the better term would be "Fullerite"? :) Congratulations on that find!!! Please give my Southern Seminary colleague my deep heartfelt greeting.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-42095697245122596502012-06-02T19:17:53.637-05:002012-06-02T19:17:53.637-05:00Dr. Yarnell,
Thank you for this post. It seems esp...Dr. Yarnell,<br />Thank you for this post. It seems especially helpful in the midst of the controversy surrounding the "Plan of Salvation" document. I myself have recently expressed some concern over some of the apparent assumptions (in my perception) the document makes regarding "New Calvinism" (e.g., double predestination rather than preterition). Nevertheless, your post here reminds us that we as Baptists have much in common if we will only shift our focus to unity: "Alas, we, Calvinists and Traditionalists alike, often bring questions to the Scripture that Scripture doesn't always answer in the particulars we would prefer."<br /><br />Also, I am glad to be introduced the the term "traditionalist." From where did this nomenclature come? I suppose I am a bit behind here. I must admit, I was at a loss when seeking to describe Southern Baptists who did not have a Calvinistic soteriology. Arminian is not very precise, even in a strictly salvific sense. I was using "baptistic Arminianism" as an admittedly clumsy designator. I will immediately adopt "traditionalist." <br /><br />I hope to see you in the future and catch up. I made a great discovery at SWBTS's archive library the other day--an additional 100 unpublished Andrew Fuller letters that were unknown to Dr. Haykin and myself.A. Chadwick Mauldinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151537407508096953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-34814510603988111532012-06-02T17:32:23.428-05:002012-06-02T17:32:23.428-05:00Thank you, David.Thank you, David.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-31561706773217411992012-06-02T17:28:34.077-05:002012-06-02T17:28:34.077-05:00"Sion" is the peak of Mount Hermon. &quo..."Sion" is the peak of Mount Hermon. "Zion" is a completely different word. One could argue for a textual error, but I would not. The "as if" of the NIV strikes me as an unsatisfactory move for it undermines the straightforward meaning of the text.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-38046553171945202922012-06-02T16:49:48.509-05:002012-06-02T16:49:48.509-05:00Would you comment on the possibility of this Zion ...Would you comment on the possibility of this Zion being the Zion which is a part of Hermon (Deuteronomy 4:48), and also the "as if the dew of Hermon were falling the mountains of Zion" translations as alternate understandings of verse 3?<br /><br />Thanks.R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-76686890489725263792012-06-01T16:32:58.814-05:002012-06-01T16:32:58.814-05:00By the way, please give us your real name. Godly m...By the way, please give us your real name. Godly men prefer the light.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-65786893134884530122012-06-01T15:43:35.656-05:002012-06-01T15:43:35.656-05:001. Yes, Arminianism and Calvinism may materially i...1. Yes, Arminianism and Calvinism may materially impact the telling of the gospel. This happens when the proclamation of the system replaces the proclamation of the Word. <br /><br />2. The divide between Calvinists and Traditionalists (aka non-Calvinists, Biblicists, or simply Baptists) is not the same as the divide between Arminians and Calvinists, so when the question is framed as if Traditionalists were Arminians, then yes, it is exaggerated.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-23010114845664629942012-06-01T15:20:31.982-05:002012-06-01T15:20:31.982-05:00Question: Does either (standard-fare) Arminianism ...Question: Does either (standard-fare) Arminianism or Calvinism materially impact the telling of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?<br /> <br />Yes or No? If yes, how so? If no, is it possible that this divide between Calvinists and Non-Calvinists is more exaggerated than it should be?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-34280208008510096972012-06-01T15:04:43.656-05:002012-06-01T15:04:43.656-05:00Thank you, Robin.Thank you, Robin.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-64399184911297514522012-06-01T15:04:27.040-05:002012-06-01T15:04:27.040-05:00Truth does indeed unite and divide. In answer to y...Truth does indeed unite and divide. In answer to your question, sometimes doctrine can materially impact the telling of the gospel because it either changes the gospel or inhibits it in some way. My prayer would be that neither of these problems would be the case with regard to the current discussions.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-77845726528525284642012-06-01T14:05:26.388-05:002012-06-01T14:05:26.388-05:00Malcolm,
Thank you for these words of wisdom. I h...Malcolm,<br /><br />Thank you for these words of wisdom. I hope all who are involved in this discussion will read them. God bless!<br /><br />Robin FosterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23905894.post-46915959265813337072012-06-01T13:47:36.799-05:002012-06-01T13:47:36.799-05:00"Lord God, bring us unity in doctrine in Your...<i>"Lord God, bring us <b>unity in doctrine</b> in Your time, but let our unity not be disrupted until then, for we wish to fulfill Your mission, and we know the world will believe and receive eternal life from You as <b>they see us united in telling them of You.</b>"</i><br /><br />Q: What if doctrine materially impacts the telling of Jesus and the telling of the Gospel to fallen, unredeemed people all over the World?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com